Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi: Episode Description

On this episode of The Inspiration Project, Brendan Corr talks to Dr Vishal Mangalwadi founder and president of Revelation Movement about why the Indian Government tried to kill Vishal and his wife, why they had to flee their home in India, whether the bible is under threat in today’s culture, the arrival of Christianity in India, how Christianity shaped Indian society and the rest of the world, the current crisis of gender identity as being a type of new sexual revolution, and much more.

Episode Summary

• Why The Indian Government tried to kill Vishal and his wife
• Why they had to flee their home in India
• Whether the bible is under threat in today’s culture
• The arrival of Christianity in India
• How Christianity shaped Indian culture and society and the rest of the world
• The current gender identity as being a type of new third sexual revolution
• What is a woman? And why it’s such a controversial question

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi: Episode Transcript

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Introduction
Welcome to The Inspiration Project where well-known Christians share their stories to inspire young people in their faith and life. Here’s your host, Brendan Corr.

Brendan Corr
Good morning everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Inspiration Project podcast, that conversation where we get to meet people who are of devout Christian faith and who have been able to explore the heights of academic and professional excellence. I say it is a personal honour and privilege today to be speaking to Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi. Dr. Mangalwadi was born in 1949, in one of the provinces of India. He graduated from the University of Allahabad in 1969. He obtained a Master’s of Philosophy at the University of Indore in 1973, then in 1974 was the co-founder of the Theological Research and Communication Institute. After an extensive career involved in charities, in political science, and in further academic studies, he was awarded a doctorate in 2003 by William Carey International University. In 2009, he started to develop his thesis on the truth and transformation, encouraging local churches around the world to become centres of learning and service. He’s most well-known in terms of the global community for two very significant treaties that he has prepared. In 2011, the publication of The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization. And much more recently, This Book Changed Everything: The Bible’s Amazing Impact on Our World. Dr. Mangalwadi, it’s an absolute pleasure to have some time to talk with you. Thank you for the generosity of being available.

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Well, thank you for honouring me. It is wonderful. I’m looking forward to being in Australia next month.

Brendan Corr
Yes. We’ll have a chance to talk a little bit about some of those two events that you’ll be speaking at, or at least a part of when you’re out here in Australia in a couple of months. That suggests that you’re clearly not in Australia right now, where is home for you, Dr. Mangalwadi?

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Well, our home in India was burned down by a mob of Hindus, so we’ve been homeless for a long time. We have two daughters in California, and that’s where we are camping right now, but just for a few more weeks, then we leave for Fiji, Australia, and Chile. So the Lord has not given us a home, but we travel around the world, and our legal base is in California with our daughters.

Brendan Corr
It’s interesting that you still hold to the view that your home was burned down. It’s a rather sobering account that you write about in the preface to the book that formed the world, of what actually happened to your wife, yourself, and your community.

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Well, they were actually trying to kill us. The government was trying to kill us, the chief of the police. He personally told me that he would kill me if I did not stop my service to the poor, but thankfully, the local press at that time was supporting me. So they did not actually kill me, but just threw me in prison, which gave me the opportunity to start writing the book, which became Truth and Transformation. It has been published in many parts of the world, not in Australia as yet, but how do you transform oppressive societies? So that book actually concluded with an appendix proposing how America can be reformed again, through Christian education, and church-based education. So that project has grown. It’s become a global movement called the Third Education Revolution, which is a big book now, a 751-page book and a global movement. But it did begin with when I was thrown in prison. The community was burned down later, and so we’ve been homeless, wandering around the world, but the Lord has kept it that way so that I’m in fact available to many, many nations.

Brendan Corr
It’s not unlike the Apostle Paul who was willing to forsake the security of an established base for the opportunity to be mobile and to be available. That’s honourable for you. There must be something very deep and very passionately held that drives you, or that motivates you, to accept some of those challenges and to live in the face of such direct conflict, as you describe just recently, and in your book. What’s the central thing that you are passionate about that is giving you this courage?

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Well, things are much worse in India right now than they were 30 years ago because a militant Hindu party has been ruling and so its roots are very explicitly in the Italian and German fascist movement. So that idea of fascism and Aryans as the most evolved people and they must govern. So that is explicitly the political belief of the central government and in many states. So in one of the states, for example, Manipur, northeast, hundreds of churches have been burned down, almost 30, almost 40,000 or so, Christians are living in camps because their houses have been burned down. They can’t go back to their houses. But leaving what’s happening in India to one side, when the specific trigger, this was not a full study, but the trigger which began this conflict was a hailstorm had destroyed the crops in about a hundred villages, and I was organising relief for them. The government banned that relief. So I said, “Okay, we’ll not give any relief. We will pray for the victims, with the victims, in a public prayer meeting in a Gandhi Ashram, not in a church, not a Christian prayer meeting, but we will invite all religions to come and seek God. Perhaps if you’re not allowed to do any relief, maybe as an answer to our prayer, the government itself will offer relief to the victims of this hailstorm.” So the specific order was to cancel that prayer meeting. The police told me that if you don’t cancel it, I will personally kill you. I won’t arrest you. I won’t prosecute you before a magistrate. I’ll just take you from your home to the jungle, shoot you, throw your body, hyenas will eat it. In the end, they didn’t kill me, but they just threw me in jail. That raised the question, how do you build a society where human rights are respected? Where my freedom to pray, my freedom to serve the victims of a national calamity, is there, where the state exists to defend my rights, including my right to life, not to take it away. So that journey of how do you create justice in a free and a progressive society, resulted in some of the study. I wrote four books on the history of modern India, that it was in fact biblical Christianity that created modern India. And then I went on to see what else has this book, the Bible, done to the world? And that led to the two books that you mentioned, The Book That Made Your World and This Book Changed Everything. So that’s sort of the passion, but now that the Bible is no longer the soul of India, Australia, or Europe, and as European society is disintegrating once again and people are losing their freedom in countries such as Canada and America, the question, is how do we rebuild the foundations of freedom and justice? That’s been part of the passion that how was the modern world created, and if the Bible created it, can that world be sustained? Can those freedoms be sustained? Is part of the question behind these books.

Brendan Corr
Dr. Mangalwadi there’s so much that I would like to explore with you. Your initial training was in philosophy. You did your initial training in philosophy, and so what I can perceive is that you have found that philosophy is not as it is sometimes thought of by novices as something that is otherworldly, completely theoretical, of not much use. You’re a philosopher who has found that ideas actually matter in the way people live, in the way cultures develop, and in the way that governments govern. The advocacy for the Western civilization and the ideas are encapsulated in that, is it the Bible itself that is under threat, or is it the notions, the philosophical propositions that the Bible holds that are at core value?

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Well, I would say both because the question is do I have the freedom to serve the poor? Do I have the freedom to organise a public prayer meeting in a neutral ground where Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, and Christians, are all invited to come and seek God, for the victims? Because in a hundred villages, there are people of all religions who have been devastated by this hailstorm. Does the state exist to promote, preserve, and protect my freedom, or is my freedom a gift from the government that it can take away? Do I have an inalienable or fundamental right to life? Where does it come from? Does it come from The United Nations Charter of Human Rights, or is it a fundamental right because it is given to me by God himself? If God says, “You shall not kill,” is that a command binding on the government, that the government cannot kill me? So Ahab and Jezebel may be king and queen of Israel, but they cannot kill a farmer, Naboth, because the king wants his vineyard. So the queen organises his murder through false witnesses, takes his property, and gives it to her husband because he wants it badly. Elijah has to face this: does my right to life come to me from the state, or does it come from God and the state is bound to exist to protect my life and my property and my family, etc? So these are philosophical issues, but the freedoms that the world has enjoyed, much of the world, including Australia, have actually come from the Bible. But the universities have been deceiving. The university has been deceived that these freedoms and rights come from Greece or the Enlightenment, not from the Bible. Therefore, the source of justice, freedom and prosperity has been undermined by the universities. The West, including Australia, is not yet experiencing the damage that the universities and the intellectual deception, the deception of the ideas has… It does not yet have practical implications in many societies, but it did in Germany. So as the Germans, the birthplace of Protestant Christianity, rejected the Bible, and accepted the human mind as the ultimate authority and rationalism, it led to totalitarianism and the two world wars. And of course, after the World Wars, communism continued, with the communist ideas that man can be the Messiah, should be the Messiah, the party. So in this, yes, it is certain doctrines, teachings of the Bible, certain ideas, and it may be different ideas at different times. So it could be as simple a question as, is it really God’s word that you shall not kill? Is my fundamental right to life, is the practical application of that command you shall not steal? Is my right to property, my responsibility to work and my freedom to create wealth, does it come from God’s word, or is it the state’s gift to me? Who gives the state the authority? So these are issues on which the modern world was built. Now in India, we are still struggling with more basic issues, such as, in most Hindu temples untouchables are not allowed to enter the temple. Even the president of India right now is a tribal woman. She’s not of high caste, therefore, she can enter a temple, but she cannot go into the holiest of holy. And this was true of our previous president of India. They have to be kept out. They cannot do this. But for most low-caste Hindus, right now in my home district, a Dalit, an untouchable, Scheduled Caste man was beaten up because he dared to drive in front of the palace. The palace is a little thing of a little former ruling family. He was beaten up, his wife was beaten up, and that one-year-old baby was thrown on the street. The whole nation right now, social media is seized with an incident that a high-caste political activist urinated in public on the face of a low-caste tribal young man. The young man was sitting on the roadside, this man was urinating on him. Video is made, the video is viral, much of the social media is discussing it, the issue that this is showing… And the Brahman community, the president of the Brahman Society is actually defending this humiliation, and beastliness, by saying that there is no law that one cannot urinate another person. So this man has not broken any law, though he’s publicly humiliated that you are dirt, you are filth. That’s the message he has sent. So in India, can this man, upon whom a high caste Brahman is urinating in public, make a video, and send it to the people so that the whole people groups are humiliated, can this man actually become a priest? The victim, can he become the priest? Can he become the ruler? This is the gospel in Revelation 5:9-10, the Lamb of God is worshipped in heaven because, with his blood, he purchases slaves of Satan to make them sons of God, and they will serve God as his priests and king. So this is a social revolution, an intellectual revolution, that a person who was not allowed to enter the temple, in fact, his body becomes the temple of the living God, and he becomes a child of God, serving his father, managing his father’s kingdom. So you’re priest and king. So in India right now, these aspects of Christian doctrine, whether the lower caste can in fact be exalted to the highest position of being priests and kings. Now, this is not important in the West at this moment, these ideas, but in fact, Martin Luther’s concept that every child should be educated was exactly built on the concept of priesthood and kingship of all believers. School systems did not exist in Europe, 500 years ago. No country had a school system, but universities had been created by the Roman Catholic Church. Universities existed, but universities were institutions of the church for the church, by the church. They were training the ministers of the church. Very few secular students will be there. They would be sons and daughters of the kings, royalty, and high bureaucrats, as noble families. If their children went on to be on diplomatic posts, they would be admitted to the church institutions because the state had no universities of its own. All the universities grew out of the monasteries and cathedral schools. But when Martin Luther understood that every believer is a priest and king, he said that every child must be educated because you cannot serve God if you don’t know God. You cannot do God’s will on earth if you don’t know what his will is, and therefore you have to be taught to read and write, that’s why the Bible should be available in German, English, Finnish, Spanish, etc. So the linguistic revolution of translating the Bible into vernacular dialects, and transforming dialects into literary languages, was the foundation of the intellectual revolution, which was a social revolution of bringing equality that every child of God is a priest and king. This is the revolution which the gospel is now bringing into India, and which is the fundamental challenge to what Hinduism had done to India of making the vast majority of Indians second class, third class, fourth class, outcast people, who are not allowed to enter into the holiest place in the temple or to become ministers, priests. So yes, these are ideas, but they are ideas rooted in the Bible, therefore, the Bible itself has to be…

Brendan Corr
Yes, I understand. There has been a resurgence, or at least a rallying of defence of Western civilization, as the erosion has become more obvious, as the challenge, the cancel culture, applied to the whole of the culture of Western civilization. Tom Holland, Douglas Murray, and others who have not necessarily held the same convictions of spiritual truth have recognised the inherent value of Christian thinking, and Christian civilization. Your position, which is similar to that, is stark in that it is at least from my arm’s length seems very controversial for you to hold that it was the arrival of Christianity that made modern India, in the face of thousands of years of Hindu tradition. How has that been received by your countrymen?

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Starting next week, I’m publishing a series of books. All of them have been written, they’re now being prepared for the press. The first of these is called The Father of Modern India, William Carey. You have Carey Grammar School in Sydney where our daughter, when she was in 10th Grade, came for six months as an exchange student, and that’s honouring William Carey. He was the first Baptist missionary to India, who also initiated the modern Protestant missions from English-speaking countries to the rest of the world. The Modern Missionary Movement, as an organised force, begins with him. He is the father of modern India. So this is our first book, different versions had been published of it earlier, but now it’s called The Father of Modern India. So this should go to press next week. The second one is called Missionary Conspiracy. This goes beyond William Carey, to study 150 years of what exactly the missionary movement did, and what was achieved in India. The Third book is called India: The Grand Experiment, which says that modern, free, democratic India, educated India was a vision of Victorian evangelicals, people like Wilberforce and his team, Charles Grant and many others who dreamt of India as a nation and exerted tremendous self-sacrificing labour to create modern India. Then we have a whole series of books, perhaps three volumes. The content of the two volumes is ready. This is called How the Bible Created Modern India. So we are looking at everything from how modern agriculture came to India, the rule of law came to India, the ideas of human equality came, the emancipation of women, health, nursing, but also constitutionalism, etc. So about 30 of us have been working on it for something like 110 weeks to produce these chapters, which we will start publishing now. So there will be, over the next six months, perhaps six volumes revisiting the history of how the Bible created most of India. And this actually begins, the first book goes to press next week. So, some of these books had already been published, and there has been no serious disagreement. It is shocking, but since no one else has been saying it, 25 years ago, I was alone in arguing this. But now there are at least 50 scholars who have researched different facets of the creation of modern India and whose research we will be publishing.

Brendan Corr
Because that thesis, Dr. Mangalwadi, that there is inherent value in what the Western civilization brought to India, is in direct contrast to what is popular opinion or what appears to be the loudest voice in popular opinion at the moment, is that Western civilization should be demolished, deconstructed. It was colonialism at its worst, it is repugnant and the ancient traditions, the ancient cultures need to be reestablished and have equal value, if not greater value. What’s your response to those propositions?

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Unfortunately, you are absolutely right. Right now, Sweden is allowing the Swedes to burn Bibles in public. In fact, the book I mentioned, The Father of Modern India, by William Carey, was published… My wife and I self-published it in 1992 as a much smaller book, William Carey: A Tribute by an Indian Woman. Then, there was a second edition, William Carey and the Regeneration of India. There was a third British edition called Carey, Christ, and Cultural Transformation. In 1999, there was a US edition called The Legacy of William Carey: A Model for the Transforming Culture. That book has also been translated into Korean, German, and Chinese. But leaving all of that behind, once the US edition, The Legacy of William Carey, was published, there is a lady who helped establish, with her husband, the L’Abri in the USA. She was speaking at Harvard University. She lives within an hour or so of Harvard University. She was speaking and during her speech, she held up our book saying what the gospel, and particularly William Carey had done in abolishing suttee, widow burning, in India. The widows used to be burned and the tradition was banned in 1829, and William Carey was a pivotal figure in arguing that widows should not be burned. They should be educated, they should remarry and begin a new life. But a white woman who was doing a PhD at Harvard, she stood up and shouted at the speaker who authorised this white colonial English man to say that the tradition of widow burning is wrong. He should be respecting local traditions. These are auspicious, sacred traditions, and we should respect their culture. So this is how stupid Harvard University has become, that a white woman doing a PhD, her mind has been so twisted and corrupted that she’s saying… She has no basis for critiquing the evil of widow burning. All that she can do is critique a missionary who says that young widows should not be burned, but should be educated and remarried because a woman does not live for her husband. Ultimately, each of us lives for God. The meaning of our lives comes from our relationship with God, not from our culture. So the blindness of Western universities has in fact created the problem that you are expressing. Now, you are absolutely right, there are public intellectuals, including Jordan Peterson, and Tom Holland in England, who are saying that no, the best of the Western civilization came from the Bible. The Bible is the soul of the West, and neither of them are Christians who are saying this. But I have a debate, I don’t know if you’ve had the opportunity to watch it, with Tom Holland. Tom Holland, in one of his discussions, said that modern freedoms came from Greece, and I debated that point with him, that modern freedoms came from the Bible, not from Greece. And during the course of our discussion, he admitted three times that he had not actually studied the history of freedom. He is a professional historian, and I’m not so he is a much better historian than me. I’m not a historian, but he admitted that he had not studied. I pointed out to him that the only political philosophy that Greece ever exported was imperialism. All of European imperialism came from Alexander the Great. Before that, that was imperialism in the Middle East. The Persian empire was invading a democratic free Athens and Greek city-states. But the Greek city-states had become evil, as Plato says, that Greek democracy was the worst of all political systems. So Plato proposed the concept of a philosopher king, which his disciple, Aristotle, tried to implement. Aristotle was the mentor to Alexander the Great. Before he became great, and he was in Macedonia as a young prince, Alexander was his tutor. Alexander implied the concept of a philosopher king and began conquering the world, starting with Persia and going all the way to India. And when he was returning from India, he died in Babylon. So Greece exported imperialism, which Rome then, after the Greek empire fell apart, Rome then started the Roman Empire, which inspired the Spanish, the Portuguese, the French, the Swedish, the Russian, the Austro-Hungarian, British. So the British Empire finally became the biggest. But this imperialism came from Greece. This is the only political philosophy Greece ever exported. But it was in 1910 that Columbia University in New York began to… There were two professors who began to propose the myth. They constructed the myth that modern freedoms came from Greece because Athens at one point had democracy and some of those people praised democracy. It was Will Durant, a lapsed Roman Catholic, who used to lecture on Monday nights in a Presbyterian church across the street from the gate entrance to New York University. Will Durant popularised the myth that modern democracy came from Greece, and that is what the universities have been teaching. And it was amazing that a historian, of the stature of Tom Holland, accepted that myth uncritically because there was no one in England who had been saying that no, British democracy, British freedom did not come from Greece. It came from the Bible, from Scotland, and it came into Scotland from Huguenots and from Geneva. Geneva was the source of republicanism and freedom. So yes, there is a lot of myth that Western universities have been promoting, and as a result, the West is losing freedom. I was in Canada two months ago, and Canada is becoming a nation of slaves, where university professors are not free to publicly present a thesis which they have carefully studied and actually believe in. They may be tenured professors, but they don’t have any intellectual liberty to stand for truth or communicate truth.

Brendan Corr
This is a nice segue, Dr. Mangalwadi, to the importance of education. Society, culture, the success of governments, and the everyday lives of the citizens are affected by the ideas that have power and influence, and that come from a system of education. There’s a lot that I’d like to unpack with you. You talk about a great book’s version of education, and recognising the Bible is one of the great books. And I’d love to know at some stage from you how you define what is a great book. But let’s put that on hold because I know that you’re involved in a thing called the Third Education Revolution, and I’d love you to explain what that means for you, what the movement is, and how you’re involved.

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
The movement is intended to equip every local church around the world, to take education back from. The university has become the source of darkness because the church, abandoned… Church invented the university, all of the early, in America, USA where I’m sitting right now, 116 of the first 118 colleges and universities were established by the church. In India, the concept of university, college education and universal education came with the church with the missionary movement. It was hard for the Protestant Reformation that if we were a royal priesthood, if every child is a priest and a king, then every child has to be educated because God’s will cannot be done on earth unless people know what God’s will is. That was the driving force. But after Napoleon, because after the French Revolution and Enlightenment, beginning in 1832, the European church, including the Protestant church, began to surrender education to the state. No state in history had ever run an educational programme. Education was a ministry of the church. So Oxford, and Cambridge, began as Augustinian monasteries. Harvard, and Yale, were Puritan institutions either established by Congregationalists or Presbyterians, or even Anglicans and Methodists and others, later. So education was a ministry of the church, but let’s just focus on the USA. It was after 1848 that Horace Mann. He was the first person who began to argue that the church should not educate, the state should. Why? If the church educates, the church will teach divisive doctrines such as the Trinity. A child doesn’t need to learn about Trinity. The child needs to learn that he should honour his father and his mother, and he should not covet his friend’s pencil, paper, book, or food. So the Bible should be taught for ethics and morality, not for doctrine and truth. Horace Mann then went on to win a seat in the House of Representatives. He became a congressman and that gave him a national platform. He was a good writer, and good speaker, arguing that the church should not educate, and the state should educate. His core argument was that teaching truths, such as the Trinity, is divisive because he was a Unitarian. So as a Unitarian, he does not want the churches that believe in the Trinity to teach Trinity. Now, there is a long story, on which I can’t go. John Dewey in Chicago, etc, played a very important role, The World War played an important role, in the American church abandoning education and education becoming a secular enterprise funded by the government and the private sector, not by the church. The result of that is that the Supreme Court can no longer define what a woman is. The last nominee in the USA to the Supreme Court bench is a woman, and she was asked during her confirmation hearing, ”What is a woman?” And she could not define it. Why can’t they define what a woman is? You can’t define a woman, except in contrast to a man. Are men and women different? If they’re different, how can they be the same one? Now, Islam has no problem with the question, what is a woman? Because Islam doesn’t believe men and women are equal. That’s why one man can have four wives, but a woman cannot have four husbands. Hinduism doesn’t believe men and women are equal because Hinduism says that a soul is incarnated as a female if her karma in a previous life had been bad. So being a female is a cosmic punishment upon a soul, that you are born in a lower category of a female. Now, Western civilization had no problem in affirming that men and women are different, therefore, they can be defined, and each can be defined. They’re different, but they’re the same, and they are one, because the Bible’s Trinitarian point of view is that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters and the word of God began to create. This Triune God, the Creator, the Spirit, the Word said, “Let’s make man in our image.” So he made man in his image, male and female, for the two of them to become one flesh so that they actually become three, and have a baby. So that they might reproduce, fill the earth, establish dominion over the earth, which means that the child has to be nurtured by the parents’ generation so that he or she learns everything that the parents, and uncles, and aunts, and grandparents know, so that this process of education allows the future generations to increasingly establish their dominion, their stewardship, their managerial ability over the earth. So the Trinitarian worldview had allowed Western civilization to say, “Men and women are different, but they’re the same because Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct. But there’s one God, they’re the same, substance, etc.” So Trinity, which affirms unity and diversity, was the base of a unique Western outlook that men and women are different, but they are the same. But now you give up the Bible, you give up that the ultimate reality of the universe is unity and diversity. You condemn the whole intellectual culture to the foolishness of which you cannot even define… So a teacher is teaching a child for two, three, four, five years, she can’t say whether this is a girl or a boy. How have Western intellectuals become so blind, so dark? Why is darkness ruling the Western education system? It is because it has been uprooted from its philosophical worldview foundation in the truth, when Jesus says to his disciples, “Go into all the world, disciple all nations,” baptising them in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, you’re immersing them in truth. And this is the source of the West’s amazing progress that every girl should study because she is as good as a man, yet she is a woman. Because God has made us male and female. So I’m working on a three-part lecture series and I was hoping that I would be able to give some of it in Australia next month. The lecture series is called Three Sexual Revolutions, about how has the West become intellectually so blind that it has become incapable of defining what is a woman.

Brendan Corr
And are you identifying this current crisis of gender identity as being a type of sexual revolution?

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
This is the third sexual revolution. But before coming to that, let me answer your main question, what is the third education revolution? So the third education revolution is an attempt to equip the church to take education back. So 130 Korean missions are partnering with us to establish a million microschools. I’m hoping that 10% of them will become a million micro universities. That means the students will enrol in an accredited university, but go to the local church to attend classes. A church may have only 15 students, but 1,500 professors will come to church every day online, and students can learn from the best teachers from around the world. 10 to 15 students will be overseen by an academic pastor. An academic pastor is a homeschooling mother, or a home college mother, who is helping students to do all the courses, to learn what is. They cannot learn from the internet or they cannot learn from libraries. They cannot learn from books. Learn from each other or have Zoom events with experts that live seminars. So an economist or a chemist goes to the church to have a live seminar with students who are studying daily. So enabling every church to become the centre of education, where education is studying both truths and shaping character because the state education simply cannot shape character. And it can teach students how to make very good robots, but it cannot teach students how to be good husbands, how to be faithful wives, and how to be good children. So character shaping and worldview shaping, which is the study of truth and virtue, has to be reintegrated into education and therefore the church needs a new education revolution to take education back from the state, back from the devil, and restore it to the church, as a ministry of the church, to disciple the future of every nation.

Brendan Corr
Dr. Mangalwadi it’s been such a pleasure to have a chance to talk with you and explore the breadth and depth of your comprehension of what is going on in the world. It is a rare gift for God to have given somebody, with the intellectual capacity that you have, and to provide an opportunity for that to be directed so broadly and so deeply. And the gift that it has been to, I will say, the church of God in general, and the benefit of humanity in general, I think should not be underestimated. So thank you so much for your time today.

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Thank you. I’m honoured and I’m grateful. Thank you.

Brendan Corr
If you haven’t read either or any of Dr. Mangalwadi’s books, can I recommend them to you? I’ve personally enjoyed them, the content and the style of writing, and would recommend them to anybody that would seek a deeper understanding of what our world is facing and where things might be heading. Dr. Mangalwadi, God bless you. Thank you.

Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
Thank you, sir. Thank you.